Wednesday, March 15, 2023

Revelation Red Pill - Symbols Part 1 and Part 2 by Matt Thayer

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Revelation Red Pill - Symbols Part 1

  1. Intro - if what you are currently believing is a lie… would you want to know the truth? 

    1. Pray

    2. Who we are - not here to attack anyone personally. Only ideas. I know and love many

    3. people who teach dispensationalism. They are fine people and many truly mean well.

    4. Book recommendations

      1. Paradise Restored - David Chilton

      2. Days of Vengeance - David Chilton

      3. When the Man Comes Around - Douglas Wilson

      4. Last Days Madness - Gary DeMar

      5. AmericanVision.org

    5. Still learning, hope that people will join us on the journey

    6. Called “The Book of Revelation” not the Book of Confusion

    7. Our history with Last Days theology

      1. Joy

      2. Matt

        1. My dad - homeschooled

        2. Inductive Bible Study Method - Who? What? When? Where? Why? How? 

        3. Kevin Horton Revelation Class - Rev 4:1

        4. The Left Behind Series revelation

  2. Thought Experiment

    1. ‘I will make a covenant of peace with them and rid the land of savage beasts so that

    2. they may live in the wilderness and sleep in the forests in safety. I will make them and

    3. the places surrounding my hill a blessing.  I will send down showers in season;

    4. there will be showers of blessing. The trees will yield their fruit and the ground will yield its crops;

    5. the people will be secure in their land. …when I break the bars of their yoke and rescue

    6. them from the hands of those who enslaved them. They will no longer be plundered by

    7. the nations, nor will wild animals devour them. They will live in safety, and no one will make

    8. them afraid. I will provide for them a land renowned for its crops, and they will no longer be

    9. victims of famine in the land or bear the scorn of the nations.,

      1. Peace, Safety, Abundance, Security, Freedom

      2. Ez. 34:25-

    10. Yet most people will defend things that aren’t in the Bible

    11. (i.e., the Rapture, The Antichrist, the 3rd temple) and say it has to get worse and worse

    12. QUESTION: who benefits from this belief system

  3. Our perspective 

    1. Why our filmmaking/storytelling perspective is relevant - we study the language of story

    2. Danger of the experts - Joy medical/nutritional background - we all relate now.

    3. How many times have we heard this? Rev 13 - the beast (now this is the antichrist)..

    4. Reminds of a tainted jury

    5. the study of Story/Aristotle - plot devices

    6. Deus ex machina (/ˌdeɪəs ɛks ˈmækɪnə, ˈmɑːk-/ DAY-əs ex-MA(H)K-in-ə,[1]

    7. Latin: [ˈdɛ.ʊs ɛks ˈmaːkʰɪnaː]; plural: dei ex machina;

    8. English "god out of the machine")[2][3] is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable

    9. problem in a story is suddenly and/or abruptly resolved by an unexpected and unlikely

    10. occurrence.[4][5] Its function is generally to resolve an otherwise irresolvable plot situation,

    11. to surprise the audience, to bring the tale to a happy ending, and/or act as a comedic device.

    12. It is generally deemed undesirable in writing and often implies a lack of creativity on the part of the author. The reasons for this are that it damages the story's

    13. internal logic and is often so unlikely that it challenges the reader's suspension of disbelief.[13]

      1. Lazy storytelling – If I can tell a better story than God… 

  4. History recap of the Rapture Theology

    1. Most Christians in history have considered the Advancing/

    2. Expanding Kingdom theology (a.k.a. Dominion theology) as the orthodox view of the end times. 

    3. Cerinthus - introduced the 1,000 reign, gnostic, heretic 

    4. Puritans & Pilgrims loved Revelation.

    5. Darby/Scofield - Zionist/Masonic ties - (ask JM)

    6. The Protocols of Zion - parts ironically read like Late Great Planet Earth/The Left Behind series -

    7. PArt 4 of Fall of the Cabal

    8. “Ye shall know them by their fruit” - Puritans & Pilgrims vs. Modern Church –

    9. one brought about America. The other? The WEF

  5. Interpretation - Seeing the Bible as Literature 

    1. God is a poet, a historian, a novelist, a legislator, a judge, a technical writer, etc. 

    2. The dangers of an exclusively literal (or symbolic) interpretation

    3. Example: Cinematic Language - colors, lenses, composition 

    4. Context

      1. Most think reading in context means verse, chapter, paragraph, book, etc. 

      2. Historical context - AD 60s - Hebrews were the first Christians.

      3. Rich in Old Testament knowledge & Hebrew literature. Thought process, language.

      4. What was that like? 

      5. Old Testament Context - Literally 1000’s of OT references

      6. (Tree of Life, Dragon, Living Creatures, the jewels of the High Priest breastplate,

      7. the words on the hat (people talk about “the mark of the beast” but forget about

      8. the seal of the Lord)

      9. Makes sense that the Lord would deliver it this way as a code from the authorities.

      10. Newspaper Exegesis - People Divorce Revelation from the rest of the Bible

    5. The Covenant Lawsuit - really the KEY

      1. Ancient covenants had 5 parts - Days of Vengeance pg 14-17

      2. NOT a political document

      3. Prophets are like lawyers - “Hey, you. remember the agreement?”

      4. Deuteronomy, Hosea 

      5. Revelation’s structure

      6. The Scroll - the number of seals means it’s a testament 


  1. Common Symbols

    1. Mountain v. Wilderness - The garden of eden was on a mountain

      1. Old Jerusalem v. New Jerusalem (The Harlot v. The Bride)

    2. Land v. Sea

      1. The Temple (Heaven, Land, Sea)

    3. The Sun, Moon, Stars 

      1. Principle of First mention: Genesis - Creation & Joseph’s dream

      2. Prophetic mentions

        1. Is. 13:9 - Babylon

        2. Is. 34:4 - Edom

        3. Ams 8:9 - Samaria/Israel

        4. Ez 32:7-8 - Egypt

        5. Joel 

      3. De-Creation: the old is being de-created & the new is being created


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  2. Method: Literary Interpretation vs. Literal Interpretation 

    1. Like Movies or Old books - Citizen Kane, Dante, Dostoevsky, Shakespeare

    2. Using the Bible to interpret the Bible - I will not seek meaning outside of the

    3. context of the Bible without FIRST establishing meaning WITHIN the Bible.

    4. This includes a broader understanding of the cultural context

    5. 5 W’s & an H - Ask the questions: Who? What? Where? When? Why? and How?

    6. Michael Heiser - The Bible Unfiltered, The Unseen Realm/Supernatural

  3. RE-CAP the The Jewishness of the Early Church. 

    1. Paul would go to the synagogues first (Acts 9:20;), arguing with the Hellenistic Jews

    2. The Early Church considered themselves the “New Israel” & the “Seed of Abraham”

    3. It is interesting to note the modern trend of Christians seeking to understand Hebrew roots. 

    4. IMPORTANT: to our modern ears, this might sound like overintellectualizing.

    5. This wouldn’t have been necessary when the book was written.

    6. This would have been a part of John & his audience's subconscious.

    7. It would have flowed out of them like today’s pop culture references.

    8. We have to START HERE - get into their mindset/worldview -

    9. before introducing ANY new meaning to the imagery. 

    10. WARNING: We mustn't get stuck here. The #1 Purpose, the ENTIRE POINT,

    11. is to follow-up with the question: “How then shall we live?” - with a proper foundation intact,

    12. we ask how we face the future.  

  4. RE-CAP of Covenant language & Covenant Lawsuit

    1. Ancient covenants had 5 parts - Days of Vengeance pg 14-17

    2. Prophets are like lawyers - “Hey, you. remember the agreement?”

    3. Deuteronomy, Hosea 

    4. Revelation’s structure - NOT a political document, a covental one

  5. COMING ON THE CLOUDS

    1. Similar to our discussion on the Sun, Moon, and Stars

    2. Hebrew mindset, syntax, & metaphors

      1. Northern Irish student - Trousers & napkins vs. Underwear & Diapers

    3. Cloud of Glory - FILLING HIS TEMPLE

      1. The Exodus - Prince of Egypt, Ten Commandments

        1. Sinai - the cloud came with lightning, thunder, earthquakes

        2. Ex. 14:19-25 - came between Pharaoh & the Israelites

      2. The Tabernacle & Temple

        1. Old Covenant - Filled the temple, consumed sacrifices

        2. New Covenant - Filled us (the Temple), consumes us

      3. Ezekiel & John

        1. Ez invited to look up/John invited to come up & look down -

        2. a comparison of covenant & humanity’s station within the covenant

    4. Coming on the Clouds - One of the most familiar images of GOD COMING IN JUDGMENT

      1. Gen 9:13 - the hung the bow in the clouds, the FLOOD/Judgement 

      2. Nahum 1 

      3. Ps 104:3 

      4. Jer 4:13 “Behold, he goes up like clouds, And his chariots like the whirlwind;

      5. His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are ruined!”

      6. Is. 19:1 - Egypt

      7. Daniel 7:13-14 - came up (not descending - ASCENDING to the throne)  and

      8. was given a Kingdom. 

      9. Peter proclaimed on Pentecost/Shavuot (Acts 2:30-36) & Paul’s Letters

      10. (Eph. 1:20-22, Col. 1:13) 

      11. When Jesus mentioned this to the High Priest…. It was a threat, a promise

      12. Interesting to note: the Jerusalem Christians sold their land, possessions.

      13. As far as I can tell, this didn’t occur anywhere else… only Jerusalem.

      14. Could it be because Jesus had ‘condemned’ the property? Was it an act of faith

      15. in Christ’s Matthew 24 prophecy? Acts 4:32-37, 5:1-11 then isn’t a biblical support for

      16. socialism/communism - it’s simply Jewish Believers believing Christ & being wise

      17. [again why cultural context/accurate understanding is paramount against heresy].

  6. THE 7 SEALS

    1. Powerful imagery even in current culture – The Four Horseman, The Seventh Seal (Movie),

    2. The Blood Moon

    3. What did the audience at the time know?

      1. How were documents saved? The meaning of the number of Seals

        1. Before money orders German envelops had 5 seals - Zahn

      2. The Seven Sealed Bibleon - WHO CAN OPEN THE SCROLL (bibleon)?

        1. WHAT is the Scroll? What do we know from the text? 

          1. 7 seals - Testament/Covenant Testament and covenant

          2. can be used interchangeably in the Bible to refer to

          3. mutual commitments based upon promises, obligations,

          4. and rituals.

          5. Written front & back - again Covenant:

          6. Ten Commandments - Two copies like Modern contracts.

        2. WHEN is a testament opened? 

          1. The Testator had died. The Old Covenant passed away

          2. because of the death of the “King of the Jews”

          3. (sign on Jesus’ cross). 

        3. WHO can open a testament? 

          1. The One who inherits - The resurrection.

          2. He is worthy to open the new scroll, the new covenant.

          3. Subsequently abolishing the Old and inheriting the New.

          4. He is both the ALPHA & OMEGA, AUTHOR & FINISHER,

          5. BEGINNING & END. Jesus accomplished this as both

          6. a resurrected HUMAN (second Adam, the first fruit,

          7. King of Kings, Lord of Lords) and the INFINITE GOD

          8. (Alpha & Omega). 

        4. WHERE was it opened? 

          1. In the THRONE ROOM [the COURT] of the Great King

        5. WHY was it opened? 

          1. The Death of the Great King & His Resurrection.

          2. Proclamation of Judgement & Proclamation

          3. The Old covenant was fulfilled and must be closed out

          4. – the vassals (old Israel) – had spilled the blood of the

          5. King (complete revolt). This triggered the curses of the

          6. Sanctions listed in Duet & Lev in full force. 

          7. Complete annihilation resulted. After AD 70,

          8. Jerusalem was desolate until well into AD 200.

    4. With this in mind… WE OPEN THE SCROLL

      1. SEAL 1 - Conqueror - JESUS. Period. How do we KNOW??

        1. THE WHITE HORSE (Rev 19:11-16)

        2. THE BOW - remember the Bow God hung in the clouds

        3. AFTER JUDGEMENT (Gen. 9)?

        4. Above his throne (Ez 1:26-28 & Rev 4)? With this in mind note Hab 3

        5. [2nd Day of Shavuot annual reading], Ps. 18, Ps. 7:12

        6. [praise & worship songs, the Hebrew’s hymnal]

        7. THE CROWN - Greek: stephanos, NOT corona (Latin) or

        8. korone (Greek) stephanos

        9. is used 7 times in Rev in relationship to Christ & His people

        10. (2:10; 3:11; 4:4, 10; 6:2; 12:11; 14:14) also used in other NT passages

        11. - korone is not found in the NT, the only other word for “crown”

        12. is diadema - 3 times: 2 for the beast & dragon, 1 for Christ in Rev 19.

        13. Goes out CONQUERING - nikao - was just used 7 times in the

        14. greetings to the churches - overcoming. 

      2. SEAL 2 - War - God takes away the conditions of peacePax Romana –

      3. decades of peace were broken, Rome nearly collapsed in AD 68,

      4. 3 factions of Zealots in Israel, complete upheaval in “THE LAND”.

      5. SEAL 3 - Famine – Survival – Self inflicted, the zealots burned out

      6. the granaries, Roman siege, Cannibalism, a mother roasted & ate her child,

      7. A complete collapse of civil society

      8. SEAL 4 - Death – pools of blood in the Temple, bodies piled in the streets,

      9. 500 crucifixions, the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan river, the port of Joppa,

      10. the abomination of desolation

      11. SEAL 5 - The prayers of the saints - blood at the base of the alter,

      12. Old covenant agents spilt it? 

      13. SEAL 6 - 7 components: Earth, Sun, Moon, Stars, Firmament, Land,

      14. Man - De-creation

      15. SEAL 7 - (Rev 8:1-5) The 7 Trumpets (correspond to the 7 Hebrew feasts)

      16. & Golden censer with the coals from the alter - the prayers.

      17. Notice the earthquakes, peals of thunder, etc.

  7. The 144,000

    1. TIMING - Why is this important between the 6th & 7th Seal?

    2. The remnant of JEWISH believers

    3. 10x10x10 - Tryptic numbers - 1,000 signified manyness 

    4. 4

    5. 7 & 3.5

    6. 10

    7. 12

    8. Multiples - 24; 144,000; 1000; 70

  8. How do we rid the earth of Evil? 

    1. Communion

    2. Worship

    3. Calling out & Calling down Jn 20:23 - Great commision - Matthew 16:19

    4. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever

    5. you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever

    6. you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

1) Unless we see Revelation as a Covenant document the continuity to the

rest of the Bible will be lost

a) NOT a political document it’s a covenantal one

b) Prophets are like lawyers - “Hey, you. remember the agreement?”

c) The Scroll - the number of seals means it’s a testament 

 

 

The Scroll

  1. 7 seals The opening of a Testament - KEY: Remember the Covenant Lawsuit & 

  2. The Seals release, The Trumpets declare, the Challises pour out

The 144,000 – the remamnt of Israel. The Jewishness of the early church. The focus

of the early church on Israel (Acts ??:??)

 

Why is this important? Christians are wired for Hope – Faith, Hope, & Love.

We are looking for a Biblical basis for Hope.

 

I’m coming at this from two premises:

1. First as a Human - Original mandate from God

2. As a storyteller - Modern End Times Theology requires

me to believe that God is relying on the worst storytelling

technique to accomplish His end goal.

 

Fallacy of the Experts

Fallacy of Tradition

 

– Leads to the 144,000. Certain things in Revelation do not make sense

unless you figure in 3 things:

1. The OT

2. The Jewishness of the Early Church

3. The Covenant Structure

 

-   Violates the original mandate – Genesis 1 (repeated to Noah in ch 9)

-   Disempowers us – fatalism, no hope for the future. 2 weeks’ notice.

We believe stuff not in the Bible (rapture, antichrist) rather than the

stuff in the Bible (glorious future, full passages in Isaiah, Ez, etc.),

the glory spreading across the earth (Hab. 2:14).

-   Keeps us looking at Current events rather than looking at the Bible.

Nothing wrong with maintaining an eye what’s happening around us,

but Jesus must be first. Walking on water/eye on the storm – sinks.

The view of Revelation is from “up here looking down” (heavenly perspective)

rather than “down here looking up” (Ez.)

 

 

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN stops New York on his way to Montreal to convince the

Canadians to join the Americans as the 14th colony. The winter of 1776 has been

full of surprises. The arrow of revolution has left the quiver… will it hit the target?

 

The city is in an uproar. News of GENERAL WASHINGTON’S victory in Boston

just weeks prior has rippled throughout the colony. Thousands of Tories, faithful to the

Crown, flee their homes as rumors circulate– the Rebel forces are en route.

 

New York is to become the next theater of war.

 

Franklin also finds himself at a crossroads. His health failing, his current mission

doubtful, and his relationship with his loyalist son in tatters, the father of the

founders struggles with doubt. Will the seeds of liberty he has planted for decades bloom?

Or be trampled under the jackboot tyranny has unleashed?

 

A chance meeting with RICHARD, a young man familiar with Franklin's work,

breathes new life into the old patriot, setting them both on a collision course with destiny. 




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