Friday, April 4, 2025

#3 Page 10 pdf Extra Addition John Locke's Government Treatise: A Letter Concerning Toleration

 


Day #1... Extra Addition John Locke's Government Treatise: A Letter Concerning Toleration

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A Letter Concerning Toleration by John Locke 

Translated by William Popple [1689] 

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http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/Philosophers/Locke/Letter Concerning Toleratin PDF.pdf

DAY 31

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G here, Extra Addition "A Letter if Concerning Toleration," Day 31,

Page 16b of pdf. 17a : to restore me in any measure, much less entirely, to a good estate. What security can be given for the Kingdom of Heaven? fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/Philosophers/Locke/Letter Concerning Toleratin PDF.pdf The individual's right to seek salvation, like medical help for an ailing body, is his free choice. Those things that Every man ought sincerely to inquire into himself and, by meditation, study, search, and his own endeavours, attain the knowledge of, cannot be looked upon as the peculiar possession of any sort of men. 

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Princes, indeed, are born superior unto other men in power, but in nature equal. Neither the right nor the art of ruling does necessarily carry along with it the certain knowledge of other things, and least of all of true religion. For if it were so, how could it come to pass that the lords of the earth should differ so vastly as they do in religious matters? But let us grant that it is probable the way to eternal life may be better known by a prince than by his subjects, or at least that in this incertitude of things the safest and most commodious way for private persons is to follow his dictates. You will say: “What then?” If he should bid you follow merchandise for your livelihood, would you decline that course for fear it should not succeed? I answer: I would turn merchant upon the prince’s command, because, in case I should have ill-success in trade, he is abundantly able to make up my loss some other way. If it be true, as he pretends, that he desires I should thrive and grow rich, he can set me up again when unsuccessful voyages have broken me. But this is not the case in the things that regard the life to come; if there I take a wrong course, if in that respect I am once undone, it is not in the magistrate’s power to repair my loss, to ease my suffering, nor to restore me in any measure, much less entirely, to a good estate. What security can be given for the Kingdom of Heaven?


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o restore me in any measure, much less entirely, to a good estate. What security can be given for the Kingdom of Heaven? Perhaps some will say that they do not suppose this infallible judgement, that all men are bound to follow in the affairs of religion, to be in the civil magistrate, but in the Church. What the Church has determined, that the civil magistrate orders to be observed; and he provides by his authority that nobody shall either act or believe in the business of religion otherwise than the Church teaches. So that the judgement of those things is in the Church; the magistrate himself yields obedience thereunto and requires the like obedience from others. I answer: Who sees not how frequently the name of the Church, which was venerable in time of the apostles, has been made use of to throw dust in the people’s eyes in the following ages? But, however, in the present case it helps us not. The one only narrow way which leads to heaven is not better known to the magistrate than to private persons, and therefore I cannot safely take him for my guide, who may probably be as ignorant of the way as myself, and who certainly is less concerned for my salvation than I myself am. Amongst so many kings of the Jews, how many of them were there whom any Israelite, thus blindly following, had not fallen into idolatry and thereby into destruction? Yet, nevertheless, you bid me be of good courage and tell me that all is now safe and secure, because the magistrate does not now enjoin the observance of his own decrees in matters of religion, but only the decrees of the Church. Of what Church, I beseech you? of that, certainly, which likes him best. As if he that compels me by laws and penalties to enter into this or the other Church, did not interpose his own judgement in the matter. 

PG here, Sunday, April 6, 2025. The topic is, should anyone submit their will to another person for salvation? Can the law or magistrate demand a certain religion over another? Socinians were members of a 16th and 17th-century Christian group, named after the Italian theologian Faustus Socinus, who rejected the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, and other traditional Christian doctrines, emphasizing reason and moral living. `Church Papist' was a nickname, a term of abuse, for those English Catholics who outwardly conformed to the established Protestant Church and yet inwardly remained Roman Catholics.
Quote: 17b:  What difference is there whether he lead me himself, or deliver me over to be led by others? I depend both ways upon his will, and it is he that determines both ways of my eternal state. Would an Israelite that had worshipped Baal upon the command of his king have been in any better condition because somebody had told him that the king ordered nothing in religion upon his own head, nor commanded anything to be done by his subjects in divine worship but what was approved by the counsel of priests, and declared to be of divine right by the doctors of their Church? If the religion of any Church become, therefore, true and saving, because the head of that sect, the prelates and priests, and those of that tribe, do all of them, with all their might, extol and praise it, what religion can ever be accounted erroneous, false, and destructive? I am doubtful concerning the doctrine of the Socinians, I am suspicious of the way of worship practised by the Papists, or Lutherans; will it be ever a jot safer for me to join either unto the one or the other of those Churches, upon the magistrate’s command, because he commands nothing in religion but by the authority and counsel of the doctors of that Church? But, to speak the truth, we must acknowledge that the Church (if a convention of clergymen, making canons, must be called by that name) is for the most part more apt to be influenced by the Court than the Court by the church.
DAY 34

PG here, April 7, 2025, Monday, Day 34 Martin Luther of the Reformation. Wrote the first Declaration of Indepedence from the Catholic Church with 95 wrongs the church was doing called The 95 Theses" in 1517. It is called reformation Day. October 31. He testified before a court: "I can not recant, I will not recant (his writings, pamphets), to do so is to go against my conscience and that is a very dangerous thing. "John Locke is expressing the same TRUTH of the gospel of Jesus Christ who delivers us and sets us freefrom sin. The bottom sentence here: ***"
No way whatsoever that I shall walk in against the dictates of my conscience will ever bring me to the mansions of the blessed."***
The "vicissitude of orthodox and Arian emperors" refers to the fluctuating fortunes and political shifts experienced by emperors who supported either orthodox Nicene Christianity or the Arian heresy, particularly in the 4th century, with emperors like Constantine and Constantius playing pivotal roles. 
vicissitude: a change of circumstances or fortune, typically one that is unwelcome or unpleasant.
How the Church was under the vicissitude of orthodox and Arian emperors is very well known. Or if those things be too remote, our modern English history affords us fresh examples in the reigns of Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary, and Elizabeth, how easily and smoothly the clergy changed their decrees, their articles of faith, their form of worship, everything according to the inclination of those kings and queens. Yet were those kings and queens of such different minds in point of religion, and enjoined thereupon such different things, that no man in his wits (I had almost said none but an atheist) will presume to say that any sincere and upright worshipper of God could, with a safe conscience, obey their several decrees. To conclude, it is the same thing whether a king that prescribes laws to another man’s religion pretend to do it by his own judgement, or by the ecclesiastical authority and advice of others. The decisions of churchmen, whose differences and disputes are sufficiently known, cannot be any sounder or safer than his; nor can all their suffrages joined together add a new strength to the civil power. Though this also must be taken notice of—that princes seldom have any regard to the suffrages of ecclesiastics that are not favourers of their own faith and way of worship. But, after all, the principal consideration, and which absolutely determines this controversy, is this: Although the magistrate’s opinion in religion be sound, and the way that he appoints be truly Evangelical, yet, if I be not thoroughly persuaded thereof in my own mind, there will be no safety for me in following it. No way whatsoever that I shall walk in against the dictates of my conscience will ever bring me to the mansions of the blessed. 

Thursday, April 3, 2025

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DAY 52


Golden Age: The golden rule, section 111: 
What it means in forms of society: A society or government using the gospel of Jesus Christ. The principles of Brotherly love for our neighbors and divine rights of the individual to be free from sin so we can love and worship God. Using every minute of their lives in service to pleasing God and God alone. From Martin Luther's 95 theses of the reformation in 1517, the 95th thesis is the first Declaration of Independence for mankind. A society and government made up of Freemen, holy, pure, and clean in thought and deed. Friday, April 4, 2025, Day 52: We are on page 52, Chapter 8, Section 111, 112, and 113, "Of The Beginnings of Political Societies," from John Locke's "Second Treatise of Government with A Letter of Toleration." 

A Letter of Toleration is about salvation, the road to salvation to die and go to heaven, yes, but also how it applies to having heaven on earth! The thesis on government shows us the perfect union of one man to another, joining in unity for the protection of property, your possession.

 In today's society, government, we have strayed far off the straight and narrow path to the pathway of protecting people so they can sin, and all others are forced to live lives of debauchery with them. 

As lifestyles and never do any hard work for yourself because the machines will do it all. No physical exercise, no mothers and fathers getting married to have babies. The human race is going extinct. There are as many older adults getting ready to meet their maker as there are ones under 50! There should be 300 times more young humans than older ones. Farming, putting a shovel in the ground, planting fields, raising crops, using horses, butchering, and feeding animals every day. At home with 10 of your children teaching, training, and raising. (Amish, Mennonite, etc.)
People who consent to live under. Submit to a leadership or government and put limits on these institutions to protect themselves from usurpations and abuses and restrain exorbitant extortions of corrupt men. Men who would seize power with the brute strength of vast armies and militaries. 

The express conditions limiting or regulating the government's power to feel safe and secure. The leader must be honest, upright, good, and prudent. Society can not operate with Jure Divino, an expression meaning "by divine right" used in connection with the question of the source of ministerial authority.
In America we were free and at liberty to unite together and begin a new, more perfect government according to the anointed teaching of John Locke, William Penn, and many, many more men of this time period. Men who study the scriptures to extract from God what a perfect God, Heaven on Earth, government, or society is. 


They wrote it down so others could read and start their own governments using the gospel of Jesus Christ. The principles of Brotherly love for our neighbors and divine rights of the individual to be free from sin, love, and worship God. Using every minute of their lives in service to pleasing God and God alone. Martin Luther, of the reformation in 1517, wrote the 95 theses. It is the first Declaration of Independence for mankind. A society and government made up of Freemen, holy, pure, and clean in thought and deed. 


PG here. 1.) Saturday, April 5, 2025, John Locke, "Second Treatise if Government With A Letter Concerning Toleration." Chapter 8, Sections 113 and 114, pages 52 and 53. Day 53. Men separating from one form of government they were born under to start a new form of government. In the new government, God is the King or Pharaoh of all men. God makes the laws, rules, and principles men live under. For Easter, April 20, 2025 A day of redemption from sin and from men who sin, freedom from oppression. Forgiveness of sins so that we may repent, turn to God, and be mentally and physically healed. Being filled with the very Spirit of God himself when we go to Jesus, his son, the word of God. God writes his word on our hearts and in our minds, giving us ties to power and divine wisdom. Deliverance from men that are too strong in number by convicting them of their crimes, sins! Sunday, April 20, 2025  "The Ten Commandments"

DAY 53

PG here Sect. 113. That all men being born under government, some or other, it is impossible any of them should ever be free, and at liberty to unite together, and begin a new one, or ever be able to erect a lawful government. If this argument be good; I ask, how came so many lawful monarchies into the world? for if any body, upon this supposition, can shew me any one man in any age of the world free to begin a lawful monarchy, I will be bound to shew him ten other free men at liberty, at the same time to unite and begin a new government under a regal, or any other form; it being demonstration, that if any one, born under the dominion of another, may be so free as to have a right to command others in a new and distinct empire, every one that is born under the dominion of another may be so free too, and may become a ruler, or subject, of a distinct separate government. 

And so by this their own principle, either all men, however born, are free, or else there is but one lawful prince, one lawful government in the world. And then they have nothing to do, but barely to shew us which that is; which when they have done, I doubt not but all mankind will easily agree to pay obedience to him. Sect. 114. Though it be a sufficient answer to their objection, to shew that it involves them in the same difficulties that it doth those they use it against; yet I shall endeavour to discover the weakness of this argument a little farther. All men, say they, are born under government, and therefore they cannot be at liberty to begin a new one. Every one is born a subject to his father, or his prince, and is therefore under the perpetual tie of subjection and allegiance. It is plain mankind never owned nor considered any such natural subjection that they were born in, to one or to the other that tied them, without their own consents, to a subjection to them and their heirs.
DAY 54

Finally, 6.) PG here, Sunday, April 6, 2025, John Locke, "Second Treatise of Government with A Letter Concerning Toleration," Chapter 8, Sections 115 and 116, Day 54 on Pages 53 and 54. Proving through history against the idea of a king being the divine authority on the earth. Like the Pope or a king, centralized world banking or government. Paternal is how it is written. One man, or a universal monarchy, as leader of the world. It is very easy to read and understand English. Sacred means the Holy Bible; profane means other histories. Thus the chapter title: ***Of the Beginnings of Political Societies.***


Sect. 115. For there are no examples so frequent in history, both sacred and profane, as those of men
withdrawing themselves, and their obedience, from the jurisdiction they were born under, and the family
or community they were bred up in, and setting up new governments in other places; from whence
sprang all that number of petty commonwealths in the beginning of ages, and which always multiplied, as
long as there was room enough, till the stronger, or more fortunate, swallowed the weaker; and those
great ones again breaking to pieces, dissolved into lesser dominions. All which are so many testimonies
against paternal sovereignty, and plainly prove, that it was not the natural right of the father descending
to his heirs, that made governments in the beginning, since it was impossible, upon that ground, there
should have been so many little kingdoms; all must have been but only one universal monarchy, if men
had not been at liberty to separate themselves from their families, and the government, be it what it will,
that was set up in it, and go and make distinct commonwealths and other governments, as they thought
fit.

Sect. 116. This has been the practice of the world from its first beginning to this day; nor is it now any
more hindrance to the freedom of mankind, that they are born under constituted and ancient polities,
that have established laws, and set forms of government, than if they were born in the woods, amongst
the unconfined inhabitants, that run loose in them: for those, who would persuade us, that by being born
under any government, we are naturally subjects to it, and have no more any title or pretence to the
freedom of the state of nature, have no other reason (bating that of paternal power, which we have
already answered) to produce for it, but only, because our fathers or progenitors passed away their
natural liberty, and thereby bound up themselves and their posterity to a perpetual subjection to the
government, which they themselves submitted to. It is true, that whatever engagements or promises any
one has made for himself, he is under the obligation of them, but cannot, by any compact whatsoever,
bind his children or posterity:for his son, when a man, being altogether as free as the father, any act of
the father can no more give away the liberty of the son, than it can of any body else: he may indeed
annex such conditions to the land, he enjoyed as a subject of any commonwealth, as may oblige his son
to be of that community, if he will enjoy those possessions which were his father's; because that estate
being his father's property, he may dispose, or settle it, as he pleases.


Day 55
:  Every child born is a Freeman. As an adult, they decide which society to join. The only way people get the right to govern anyone else is when the people give their consent (approval/permission). Monday, April 7, 2025, John Locke's "Second Treatise of Government with A Letter of Toleration," Chapter 8, ***Of the Begiinings of Political Societies***, Section 117 and 118, Pages 54 and 55, Day 55. If a child has two parents who are subjects of two different governments, neither government can claim the child as a subject.

Excerpt Section 118: It is plain then, by the practice of governments themselves, as well as by the law of right reason, that a child is born a subject of no country or government. He is under his father's tuition and authority, till he comes to age of discretion; and then he is a freeman, at liberty what government he will put himself under, what body politic he will unite himself to: for if an

DAY 55


Englishman's son, born in France, be at liberty, and may do so, it is evident there is no tie upon him by his father's being a subject of this kingdom; nor is he bound up by any compact of his ancestors. And why then hath not his son, by the same reason, the same liberty, though he be born any where else?Since the power that a father hath naturally over his children, is the same, where-ever they be born, and the ties of natural obligations, are not bounded by the positive limits of kingdoms and commonwealths. Tommorrow Day 56, Chapter 8, Sect. 119. Every man being, as has been shewed, naturally free, and nothing being able to put him into subjection to any earthly power, but only his own consent; it is to be considered, what shall be understood to be a sufficient declaration of a man's consent, to make him subject to the laws of any government......On Blogger Isaiah 58 Ministries, #7 John Locke SToGwALCT, Starting Chapter 8